Beable or Observable, Mr. Bell?

This entry was posted by on Wednesday, 20 October, 2010 at

We are all the fragile sons of the Form.   Florin

This excellent website really has all of the information and facts I wanted about this subject and didn’t know who to ask.

“There is a still greater surprise when the hole H2 is replaced by two holes close  together. Instead of the contributions of these two holes just adding together, as in Fig. 4, an “interference pattern” appears as in Fig. 5. There are places on the screen that no electron can reach, when two holes are open, which electrons do reach when either hole alone is open. Although each electron passes through one hole or the other (or so we tend to think), it is as if the mere possibility of passing through the other hole influences its motion and prevents it going in certain directions. Here is the first hint of some queerness in the relation between possibility and actuality in quantum phenomena.”

J.S.Bell ” Speakable and Unspeakable in Quantum Mechanics”, Cambridge Univ. Press, 2004, p. 185

    ” One day , an idea both profond and simple will solve the quantum enigma. ” H.C. von Bayer

 ” The particles go  where the waves take them, instead  of just shooting  in straight lines…” J. Slater, 1923

  ” Somewhere something incredible is waiting to happen. ” J.A. Wheeler




I will start by calling your attention on two symmetrical mistakes both of them of the either / or type, currently committed in the contemporary general genesis theory (I will mention that both have negatively influenced the solving of the double slit problem):

1. Possibilism – trying to consider only the pure potentiality (such thing does not exist ), thus risking to depart from any physical frame;this apparent innocuous abstraction actually constitutes an impardonable methodological  error, taking in account that 2 or 3 generations of physicists  mistakenly identified so called ” subtle physics ” with pure mathematics, in other words the ( impure ) potentiality waves with Born’s conceptual artifact – the probability waves. Being just a  mathematical ( not physical ! ) description, the explicative power of the  Born’s model /machinery in itself   is  almost vanishing ( sorry, Mr. Feynman ), that is  to be explicative this ( very useful but abstract ) machinery  should be  physically articulated the best – maybe the unique – bridge being  constituted, in my opinion, by the just mentioned potentiality waves. This integrative idea was expressed by  John HOLLAND (  see ” Complexity”  by M.Mitchel WALDORP , Simon & Schuster, New York, 1992, p. 255) in the following, memorable,  terms:” prediction  isn’t the essence of science. The essence is comprehension and explanation... ”  ( involving reality and ontology, determinism and communication/ meaning ). Please, note two  correlative  methodological  warnings :

i. “Quantum mechanics  is not pure mathematics.-Willem de MUYNCK 

ii. ” the wave aspects  of matter are just as real  as the particle aspects. But we are so used to thinking in classical terms that we have  an almost irresistible tendency to revert to making the implicit assumption  that electron is really a particle. We tend to de-emphasize the  physical reality of  the wave aspects which show up in  the importance  of the phase  relations in determining interference.

   David BOHM ( Quantum Theory, 1951 )

2. Excessive Realism – continuing the modern science alignments – promotes  the radical exclusion of the possible and, consequently  a total ergonic / actional/ causal perspective, involving imminent collapse in tautology “real generates real”.

The double slit experiment (2sE) being a particular case of genesis / measurement/quantum adaptivity ( remember  J. Slater‘s terms: the particles go  where the waves take them”– 1923 ! ) constitutes a special example for the manner in which the “impure” potentiality a0P / aiP  (= the virtual space ) generates the real ( the space-time ),  so to demonstrate the inseparability real / possible. Ignoring or undervaluing this inseparability was at the bottom of the inability to formulate /  solve the 2sE problem as long as over two centuries. To immediately understand how was it possible to reach such a methodological counter performance I will employ an analogy with magnetic field, whose ” mystical ” essence was not comprehended in any way just by considering the extrinsic orientation of the iron filings (a typical kind of observable, exhibiting all the advantages and disadvantages of perceptibility), being necessary to admit the –imperceptible!-existence of magnetic lines of force, already existing in nature = beable.

Fig.1 Analogy between magnetic force  lines ( real in-formation ) and 2sE  ” form lines “(c/e = Tonomura version)= potential in-formation

The analogy between interference- diffraction figures of potentiality with magnetic lines of force should not be pushed too far since in 2sE case we encounter rather lines of form (signifying some form transfer, or using Bohm’s term in-formation) realized through non-ergonic resources such as correlation / inseparability between  real / possible (subtle physics but still physics!). To remember that without considering the magnetic lines of force none of the valid explanations of iron filing orientation would have been possible; this indication must be transposed in a specific manner in the similar case of the potential field  ( a0P / aiP ) active in 2sE. Acting this way the essence of my proposed solution (hypothetical one, of course ) becomes very simple: concomitantly with accurate craftsmanship of the two slits -as gap, diameter, optimum distance ” d ” between the two screens ( please note that the last parameter has a subtle informational nature – as a symmetry breaking  factor!- being essential to make sure the local activation- see below – is/remains  an one-way  process  ) the omnipresent potential field (found in a dynamic equilibrium state) is locally activated; from this moment on, on the path between the two slits and the registration screen a stable process of quantum correlation is generated engaging the two new and distinct potential wave beams (the interaction term must be rigorously avoided because the active subsystems  are P/P ); the outcome is some stable, imperceptible interference fringes proving determinant for the subsequent propagation of any  quantum systems having an optimal waviness, which will be directed on this track pre-programmed in potential realm .

Now,  whether we send an intense flux of photons, electrons, fullerenes etc., or the distribution of them on the pre-programmed track is done one by one (very low intensity flux), this “potential interference boulevard/ hotel” remains  active as long as the two slit system as well as the flux of potential waves found in correlation are not disturbed                ( attention to the  crucial factor ” d “).

I mention in passing   that in contrast to  current  particular  opinions  ( Omnes –  Zurek , for   instance )    concerning    the      ( in ) distinctiveness between micro / macro transition not …the budget but  the critical waviness ( constitutive  for any efficient  pilot-wave guiding ) and correlatively the ” 2sE test “could be considered a reasonable / efficient  criterion of  delimitation; I specify that Omnes and Zurek  are not ” wrong”  but rather their validity is  restricted  to a  traditional ( realist ) context,  see Fig.2 below:










Fig. 2:  2sE  as a criterion for micro / Macro distinctiveness:  ” micro-quantum” is  inseparable but DISTINCT. To mention that our 2sE and  micro / Macro distinction likely  constitute the first  physical proof that the ( fundamental ) ether and / or “non-Einsteinian space ”  ( see Methodological Marginalia, Fig. 10 ) actually exist; very interesting  to compare my premises and  conclusions with  Michelson -Morley  and  Mount Wilson local realist experiments.




Approaching 2sE, J.S. Bell (a physicist I have highly appreciated especially for his non-local intuitions) did not conceive that in this case we deal with a process organized on two distinct but inseparable levels: one fundamental (beable) and one non-fundamental / subsidiary (observable), curiously stopping his inquiry at observable level; “curiously” since he explicitly and repeatedly asserted the preeminence of beable towards observable, respectively of nature towards laboratory; carefully examine the fig 4 and 5, page 184 from “Speakable and Unspeakable in Quantum Mechanics”: the merit of those electrons distributed against…their (and our too) expectations in a highly discriminatory pattern, with prohibited zones, with maximums and minimums,…could not be other (micro-knowledge? self-interference ? ) than to make appear the subjacent potential interference figures ( a0P ). This is how the quotation/ motto  chosen by me underlines this crucial  idea: a (pre-existing) “interference pattern” APPEARS.

Courtesy : WIKIPEDIA

Fig. 3   Guiding Physics : Difractia / interferenta si coupling resonance  reprezintã o poartã deschisã spre o lume  subtilã / non-localã , la care realistul Einstein nu a avut acces ( desi, atentie,  his “happiest thought ”  il adusese  extrem de aproape de  aceastã lume… “ beyond Einstein “ ) numitã de mine ” guiding physics “                     


This somewhat unusual verb for a physicist determined me to imagine that somewhere in his subconsciousness, John Stewart – mon ami, saw things in a different light than…Bell. Without going into details I wish to emphasize a few final aspects:

  • Many physicists from Bell’s generation have chosen to identically react when faced with quantum weirdness: instead of an approach without any realistic aggressive prejudices of this challenge they’ve preferred the FAPP attitude and / or to return to…Bohr. Look as how John Gribbin describes (in a good, popular book: “In Search of Schrodinger’s Cat”, p.226) this attitude of “happy”  stop over at macroscopic, perceptible revelations of …iron filings: ”What we see is what we get, nothing else is real. I am happy to stick with Bohr.” Poor happiness…If John meets with the thinking lines exposed in this article (and obviously if he agrees with them, which I highly doubt it  because of the  irresistible realistic temptation still governing within 2sE area), his book may be re-written in no more than 100 days, becoming the first…potential best seller from the series “Beyond Bell”.
  • Potential in-formation provides the key for a kindred quantum mystery -the celebrated “entanglement” concept – students’  terror.The entanglement represents a tertium state of real / possible type:   for instance, to prepare a pair of particles with half integer spin (fermions) into a singlet state has something essential in common with the correct preparation of the two slits in 2sE, both procedures  aiming to the activation of a potential program / track providing to all real correlative systems a new in-formational channel, generating non-classical peculiarities and …mysteries.

Years ago after I had analyzed a dozen interference figures of some remarkable 2sE commentators ( including Einstein, Bohm, Feynman ,…)  I was shocked to see the advanced similarity between these bi-dimensional figures (for example  the alternation of permitted and prohibited zones) and volumic disposition of energy (electronic) levels from any atomic structure. To note that these ( bi-, tri- or multi-dimensional ) zones of interdiction,  inexplicable in real,  become quite explicable in potential. Asking a renown professor of physics how can this similarity be explained, he looked at me repugnantly and provided almost ad litteram Bohr’s reputed response:  “ the task of physics is not to explain the world but rather to describe it.” My personal suggestion for younger researchers is not to stop themselves at expert concepts / models of FAPP type but to rather consider the atomic structures as tri-dimensional interferences  where always and always the potential waves ( a0P ) have prepared through in-formation the terrain for… iron filings ( aiP or even Aip ). Very likely  this is the first time that you meet with such a setting together some unusual terms/ factors of the atomic / molecular / biological systems’ stability : form against force, in other words potential in-formation versus Coulombian interactions between nucleus & electrons. My firm conviction is that in this century the atoms and atomic orbitals should not only be described but rather “constructed” making use of the new conceptual frame: potential in-formation, fractals, attractors ( for example limit-cycles constitute some convenient models  for “particles” which can and should be interpreted as some compact / standing waves) and eventually strange attractors for the radioactive, unstable systems ( you can consider the electron K capture or β and α emissions as  some   form / force or potential / real dramatic events ). Doresc sa inchei  this unusual  paper exprimandu-mi convingerea ferma ca  modelul evanstonian 2sE reprezinta doar o  poarta deschisa spre  o lume ” miraculoasa “, subtila   = “ guiding physics “ ( sugerata  simplu, direct, de catre tanarul american  J.Slater – vezi citatul  de la debutul post-ului ) , centrata pe ” potential in-formation ” – factor explicativ  pe cat de surprinzator pe atat de universal  aflat , conform  versurilor inspirate ale  lui J.A. WHEELER somewhere  “ behind it all “ :

  ” Behind it all

                   is surely  an idea so simple

                   so beautiful

                   so  compelling that when  (…)

                   we grasp it

                   we will all say to each other

                   how could it have been otherwise ?

                   How could  we have been so stupid

                   for so long ? “


I will close responding to a frequent question: how can the information presented on this blog be taken over in a correct, legal manner? The blog has Copyright 2009/2016 under the name of Florin Florea Felecan. Short, non-commercial references / quotations do not need my approval, but the source must be accurately indicated.

232 Responses to “Beable or Observable, Mr. Bell?”

  1. Good info and straight to the point. I’m not sure if this is in fact the very best place to ask but do you guys have any ideea where to employ some professional writers? Thank you Best Regards

    • admin

      You have to choose from two extra performers , say : Anthony James Leggett and Gerard ‘t Hooft.
      If they are busy – very likely-let me know. Admin

  2. great post! i am just starting out in community management marketing media and trying to learn how to do it well – resources like this article are incredibly helpful

  3. I was very pleased to find this web-site.I wanted to thanks for your time for this wonderful read!! I definitely enjoying every little bit of it and I have you bookmarked to check out new stuff you blog post.

  4. Magnificent goods within you, man. We have understand your stuff earlier than and you happen to be just extremely excellent. I actually like what you’ve acquired here, really like what you are saying and just how in places you say it. You create it entertaining therefore you still maintain to keep it smart. I can’t wait to read a great deal more from you. This really is really a great web page.

  5. Berniece Garavelli

    Do you mind if I quote a couple of one’s articles so long as I deliver credit and sources back for your blog? My weblog website is inside the particularly similar region of interest as yours and my users would truly benefit from a number of the data you offer here. Please let me know if this okay with you. Thanks!Go ahead, F.

  6. Hello.This article was extremely motivating, particularly because I was looking for thoughts on this issue last couple of days.

  7. I truly appreciate this post. I’ve been looking all over for this! Thank goodness I found it on Bing. You have made my day! Thx again!

  8. reflux

    Perfect work you have done, this web site is really cool with fantastic info.

  9. nicely explained. it’s indeed an art to stop new visitors with your attractive writing style. truly impressive and nice information. thanks for sharing.

  10. Just wish to say your article is as astounding. The clearness in your post is just nice and i can assume you are an expert on this subject. Fine with your permission let me to grab your RSS feed to keep updated with forthcoming post. Thanks a million and please keep up the gratifying work.

  11. i recently started a website and i desired you to know thst info helped me immensly , and i will try to make my new website as good as your own.

  12. I simply had to appreciate you all over again. I’m not certain the things that I could possibly have gone through without these secrets shown by you directly on such area. Completely was an absolute traumatic matter for me personally, but coming across a new specialized avenue you handled it made me to cry over fulfillment. I am grateful for your support and then expect you find out what a powerful job you happen to be undertaking educating people by way of a web site. Probably you haven’t met any of us.

  13. You certainly deserve a round of applause for your post and more specifically, your blog in general. Very high quality material!

  14. minecraft

    Amazingly, your piece goes to the heart of the topic. Your clarity leaves me wanting to know more. Just so you know, i’ll immediately grab your feed to keep up currently with your online blog. Sounding Out thanks is merely my little way of claiming what a masterpiece for a fantastic resource. Take On my best wishes for your subsequent publish.

  15. Hello my family member! I want to say that this article is amazing, nice written and come with almost all important infos. I’d like to see more posts like this.
    ( Thanks , Samantha , your …adoption is welcome.Admin )

  16. 攻めようにも勝手に進んでればやりようがないの。一応第三者機関の検査が基礎工事で1回入ってるはずなので それだけが頼りのような???
    For me communication is fundamental. So, here is my response: BBBdcg ujonlers raccck!!! Admin )

  17. I’ve never thought I would find a blog that would inspire me somehow until now. Thanks!

  18. I admire the valuable information you offer you within your articles.Great post, You make valid points in a concise and pertinent fashion, I will read more of your stuff, thank you very much for writing this

  19. Jama Pelzer

    I discovered a great deal of interesting stuff in the blog really it’s discourse

  20. fire

    It surely does take quite a lot to find awesome information like this. Thanks a lot.

  21. Hi! I just want to tell you that I found this blog really useful to me. I will visit this blog regularly to read more. Thanks.

  22. recipes

    Magnificent! (As usual. 😛 )

  23. Healthy

    Intriguing, how would I use this?
    ( If you refer to my article the best response is: use it with a baby aspirin. Admin )

  24. Incredible! Your site has a ton comments. How did you get all of these viewers to view your site I’m jealous! I’m still learning all about blogs on the internet. I’m going to look around on your site to get a better understanding how to attract more people. Thanks for the help!
    ( Hi,L.R.Why incredible? The real explanation is simple ( for the post ” E.Schrodinger redivivus”) with more than 450 comments: first 400 were sent by me using different names/addresses, the other 50 by the others.The intrinsic value is important, of course, but not a key.More credible? Let me know. Admin )

  25. Charissa Patman

    Hmm is anyone else encountering problems with the pictures on this blog loading? I’m trying to determine if its a problem on my end or if it’s the blog. Any responses would be greatly appreciated.

  26. Thanks for this! I’ve been searching all over the internet for the details.

  27. keep up the great piece of work, I read few posts on this website and I conceive that your blog is very interesting and has got circles of good info .

  28. best

    I do believe all of the concepts you have introduced in your post. They are very convincing and will certainly work. Still, the posts are very quick for beginners. May you please lengthen them a little from next time? Thank you for the post.

  29. Thanks a bunch for sharing this with all people you really recognise what you’re talking approximately! Bookmarked. Kindly also seek advice from my web site =). We will have a link alternate arrangement between us!

  30. best

    Normally I don’t learn article on blogs, but I wish to say that this write-up very forced me to check out and do so! Your writing style has been surprised me. Thanks, very nice post.

  31. is my favorite site now!

  32. My brother recommended I might like this web site. He was once totally right. This post actually made my day. You can not consider just how so much time I had spent for this information! Thank you!

  33. curriculum vitae

    It’s the pity you actually don’t possess a give money link! I’d surely give money for this superior webpage! We presume at this point i’ll be satisfied book-marking as well as placing your own Feed in order to my personal Search engines accounts. We appear forwards in order to recent changes and can publish this particular web page along with my personal Myspace team: )

  34. I like what you guys are up too. Such intelligent work and reporting! Keep up the excellent works guys I’ve incorporated you guys to my blogroll. I think it will improve the value of my web site 🙂

  35. I was wondering if you ever considered changing the layout of your blog? Its very well written; I love what youve got to say. But maybe you could a little more in the way of content so people could connect with it better. Youve got an awful lot of text for only having one or two images. Maybe you could space it out better?

  36. Cairns

    I believe this is often fantastic I really enjoy the actual infos shared therein posting Let me lesemarke this specific! Fantastic Write-up, Each individual Spot is robust Plenty of. Thank you for spreading with us ones information . You bought an important absolutely helpful net lumber My partner and i end up having been in this article reading through commutation with regard to upon an hour or so . We’re an important newcomer and unfortunately your prominence is seriously a lot a particular fervidness in my circumstances.

  37. Appreciating the hard work you put into your site and detailed information you offer. It’s awesome to come across a blog every once in a while that isn’t the same outdated rehashed material. Excellent read! I’ve saved your site and I’m including your RSS feeds to my Google account.

  38. Hey there, Nice site. First time here, and looking to start blog writing for myself.

  39. I do accept as true with all the ideas you’ve presented to your post. They’re very convincing and can certainly work. Nonetheless, the posts are too quick for starters. May just you please extend them a little from subsequent time? Thank you for the post.

  40. tester

    Hiya, I am really glad I have found this information. Nowadays bloggers publish just about gossips and net and this is really irritating. A good blog with interesting content, that is what I need. Thanks for keeping this web site, I’ll be visiting it. Do you do newsletters? Can’t find it.

  41. Great post.

  42. best

    great, what a nice blog

  43. I don’t even know the way I stopped up here, but I assumed this post used to be great. I do not recognise who you’re however certainly you are going to a famous blogger if you happen to are not already 😉 Cheers!

  44. I just signed up to your blog’s RSS feed after reading this post! Will you be writing regarding this in future articles?

  45. Dunkel

    hey there and thank you for your info ?V I have definitely picked up anything new from right here. I did however expertise several technical issues using this website, as I experienced to reload the site a lot of times previous to I could get it to load correctly. I had been wondering if your web hosting is OK? Not that I’m complaining, but sluggish loading instances times will sometimes affect your placement in google and can damage your high quality score if advertising and marketing with Adwords. Anyway I am adding this RSS to my e-mail and could look out for much more of your respective interesting content. Make sure you update this again soon..

  46. Once before I read a similar article on another website and didn’t quite get it, but your article helped me understand it better. Thanks!

  47. It’s an important pity you actually don’t have a very good contribute link! I’d most definitely contribute to that spectacular blog page! As i presume for the moment i’ll accept book-marking and even incorporating ones own Rss to help you a Google and yahoo credit account. As i start looking forwards to help you innovative improvements and will eventually publish it website through a Facebook . com crew: )

  48. I haven’t checked in here for a while since I thought it was getting boring, but the last several posts are good quality so I guess I’ll add you back to my daily bloglist. You deserve it my friend 🙂

  49. lakiernik

    Fantastic that somebody publishes about such issues. Interesting subject that carries a lots of useful material. For absolutely sure it was seriously worth taking the time to read it. For sure I’ll be here regularly entered.

  50. Bydgoszcz

    Pretty fascinating content. I normally really don’t comment content, however this time I made an exception to this rule, because I have seen here a lot helpful information. Thank you for the helpful and helpful education. I discover that issue boosts a bunch of interest, judging by the amount of responses. I check out some other topics, and without doubt I will come returning sometimes.

Leave a Reply to Anonymous